Hawaiian Baby Woodrose
What other names is Hawaiian Baby Woodrose known by?
Argyreia nervosa, Argyreia speciosa, Baby Hawaiian Woodrose, Baby Woodrose, Bidhara, Convolvulus nervosus, Convolvulus speciosus, Elephant Climber, Elephant Creeper, Lettsomia nervosa, Liane d’Argent, Rose des Bois, Silver-Morning-Glory, Vidhara, Vriddadaru, Vridhadaru, Wood-Rose, Woolly Morning Glory.
What is Hawaiian Baby Woodrose?
Hawaiian baby woodrose is an ornamental plant that is related to the morning glory plant. It grows in Florida, California, and Hawaii. The seeds are used to make medicine.
Despite serious safety concerns, Hawaiian baby woodrose is used for pain relief and causing sweating.
But its more famous use is as a hallucinogen. Internet sellers promote Hawaiian baby woodrose as a “natural LSD.” The hallucinatory effects of Hawaiian baby woodrose are similar to alcohol intoxication with psychedelic visual effects such as enhanced colors. The effects last 6-8 hours.
Insufficient Evidence to Rate Effectiveness for.
- Pain relief.
- Causing sweating.
- Other conditions.
More evidence is needed to rate the effectiveness of Hawaiian baby woodrose for these uses.
How does Hawaiian Baby Woodrose work?
There isn’t enough information to know how Hawaiian baby woodrose works as a medicine.
Are there safety concerns?
Hawaiian baby woodrose is UNSAFE. It can cause side effects such as nausea, vomiting, dizziness, hallucinations, blurred vision, dilated pupils, rapid movement of eyeballs, sweating, fast heart rate, and increased blood pressure.
Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: It’s UNSAFE to use Hawaiian baby woodrose if you are pregnant or breast-feeding. Don’t use it.
Mental illness: Hawaiian baby woodrose has effects similar to the hallucinogen LSD. There is a concern that people with psychotic tendencies might have more severe reactions to using it.
Surgery: Hawaiian baby woodrose might affect levels of a brain chemical called serotonin. Because serotonin has powerful effects on the central nervous system and blood vessels, there are concerns that Hawaiian baby woodrose might interfere with surgery. Stop using Hawaiian baby woodrose at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery.
Are there any interactions with medications?
Hawaiian baby woodrose increases a brain chemical called serotonin. Some medications for depression also increase the brain chemical serotonin. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose along with these medications for depression might increase serotonin too much and cause serious side effects including heart problems, shivering, and anxiety. Do not take Hawaiian baby woodrose if you are taking medications for depression.
Medications for depression (MAOIs)Interaction Rating: Major Do not take this combination.
Hawaiian baby woodrose increases a chemical in the brain. This chemical is called serotonin. Some medications used for depression also increase serotonin. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose with these medications used for depression might cause there to be too much serotonin. This could cause serious side effects including heart problems, shivering, and anxiety.
Some of these medications used for depression include phenelzine (Nardil), tranylcypromine (Parnate), and others.
Clozapine (Clozaril)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Clozapine (Clozaril) affects the brain. Hawaiian baby woodrose also affects the brain. Taking clozapine (Clozaril) along with Hawaiian baby woodrose might decrease the effects of Hawaiian baby woodrose.
CyproheptadineInteraction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Cyproheptadine can affect the brain. Hawaiian baby woodrose might also affect the brain. But cyproheptadine affects the brain differently than Hawaiian baby woodrose. Taking cyproheptadine along with Hawaiian baby woodrose might decrease the effects of Hawaiian baby woodrose.
Dextromethorphan (Robitussin DM, and others)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Hawaiian baby woodrose can affect a brain chemical called serotonin. Dextromethorphan (Robitussin DM, others) can also affect serotonin. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose along with dextromethorphan (Robitussin DM, others) might cause too much serotonin in the brain and serious side effects including heart problems, shivering, and anxiety. Do not take Hawaiian baby woodrose if you are taking dextromethorphan (Robitussin DM, and others).
Meperidine (Demerol)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Hawaiian baby woodrose increases a chemical in the brain called serotonin. Meperidine (Demerol) can also increase serotonin in the brain. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose along with meperidine (Demerol) might cause too much serotonin in the brain and serious side effects including heart problems, shivering, and anxiety.
Pentazocine (Talwin)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Hawaiian baby woodrose increases a brain chemical called serotonin. Pentazocine (Talwin) also increases serotonin. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose along with pentazocine (Talwin) might increase serotonin too much. This could cause serious side effects including heart problems, shivering, and anxiety. Do not take Hawaiian baby woodrose if you are taking pentazocine (Talwin).
Risperidone (Risperdal)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Taking risperidone (Risperdal) along with Hawaiian baby woodrose might decrease the effects of Hawaiian baby woodrose.
Tramadol (Ultram)Interaction Rating: Moderate Be cautious with this combination.Talk with your health provider.
Tramadol (Ultram) can affect a chemical in the brain called serotonin. Hawaiian baby woodrose can also affect serotonin. Taking Hawaiian baby woodrose along with tramadol (Ultram) might cause too much serotonin in the brain and side effects including confusion, shivering, stiff muscles, and other side effects.
Dosing considerations for Hawaiian Baby Woodrose.
The appropriate dose of Hawaiian baby woodrose depends on several factors such as the user’s age, health, and several other conditions. At this time there is not enough scientific information to determine an appropriate range of doses for Hawaiian baby woodrose. Keep in mind that natural products are not always necessarily safe and dosages can be important. Be sure to follow relevant directions on product labels and consult your pharmacist or physician or other healthcare professional before using.
Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database rates effectiveness based on scientific evidence according to the following scale: Effective, Likely Effective, Possibly Effective, Possibly Ineffective, Likely Ineffective, and Insufficient Evidence to Rate (detailed description of each of the ratings).
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Hawaiian Baby Woodrose What other names is Hawaiian Baby Woodrose known by? Argyreia nervosa, Argyreia speciosa, Baby Hawaiian Woodrose, Baby Woodrose, Bidhara, Convolvulus nervosus,
Are Baby Hawaiian Woodrose seeds safe to eat?
The Hawaiian baby woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) is a member of the convolvulaceae family which also includes the morning glory. They contain a naturally occurring tryptamine called LSA (Lysergic Acid Amide), which is closely related to LSD. The seeds are consumed orally, either direct or after extraction of the active alkaloids.
The effects are somewhat similar to those of LSD, but less intense and less visual. A Hawaiian baby woodrose trip lasts 6-8 hours; tranquil feelings may last an additional 12 hours. Sleep is deep and refreshing after the trip, however some users may experience a hangover characterized by blurred vision, vertigo, and physical inertia.
Nausea and other stomach complaints are quite common side effects of consuming Hawaiian baby woodrose, which are not caused by the LSA but other compounds in the seeds. This is why some users choose to extract the LSA from the seeds.
Because use is oral, onset is affected by the last food that was ingested (try not to eat 4-6 hours before you eat the seeds). The average dosage is 4 to 8 seeds. Some users advise to take no more than 2 or 3 the first time. The seeds must chewed for as long as possible as the active substances are absorbed by the body’s saliva.
Here is a recipe to let the seeds work more efficiently:
Remove any remaining husk and cut the seeds up in small bits with a knife or pair of scissors They can also be pulverized in a coffee grinder.
Put them in a cup and pour half a cup of hot but not boiling water on them. It is best to use distilled water as tap water and mineral water contain minerals which can diminish the effect of the seeds
Leave for at least 1½ hours for the water to cool down to room temperature. The alkaloids dissolve in the water at a certain temperature that is reached at some time during the cooling process.
Drink the water together with the seeds.
MGS and HWR seeds contain the same chemical LSA, just MGS don’t have as much so you’d have to take more for the same ‘experience.’
You already harvested shrooms, why looking for a ‘legal’ alternative? Just eat them. Ugh LSA is awful I can see how LSD is like the supercharged euphoric version that takes away all the negative side effects and adds some better ones.
I agree with most of the people on this particular thread. They taste like ass. The taste alone is enough to engage anyone’s gag reflex. How ever, if you want to skip those unpleasant tastes, I suggest grinding them. I bought myself 1,000 gel capsules to put 4-6 ground up seeds into. It takes 2 00 gel capsules to fit all 6 seeds, once ground. Since it is a legal substance where I am (USA), I can speak of it quite freely.
Aside from the bad taste, there is also the condition of nausea. During the 20-40 minute onset (sometimes 1-3 hours: depending on body weight), you may experience nausea. This can be counteracted by eating. If you’re a cannabis smoker, I’d suggest smoking a very small amount before ingesting Baby Hawaiian Woodrose Seeds.
Just enough to counteract the over all onset of nausea. Of course, some people have a higher constitution than others, and every trip, and tripper is different. Hell, I’ve had experiences with the seeds where, nothing happened at all. I highly recommend the darker, fuller seeds. Any seeds that have corners, but are complete seeds, may not yield quite as much of an experience.
As a prescribed patient of Warfarin, for: Deep Vein Thrombosis, I have found no, 0% data on any interactions. How ever, you must keep in mind that, BHWS are a “vascular constrictor.” What this means is, it lessens your body’s ability to pump blood. How ever, with as thin as my blood is, I haven’t had any troubles taking the BHWS.
While I am not a doctor, PHD, MD, or otherwise, I do have personal experience with blood thinners, and BHWS. I must warn anyone with, DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis), to avoid BHWS. Unless of course, you’re like me where, you’ve spent the last year on it, and there aren’t many, if any traces of clotting.
How ever, if you do happen to have clots, or a history of clotting, avoid this hallucinogen. You not only risk your life, but you risk great deals of pain. Due to the amount of scarred tissue I have from my DVT, when ever I am on BHWS, I feel a stinging pain in my inner thighs. Of course, I am confident that, I won’t kill myself from ingesting this seed. How ever, I must recommend that anyone with DVT exercise caution.
How ever, I have strayed away from my point. The legal hallucinogen is both safe, and fun to take, as long as you do not have a history of mental illness, physical ailment, or are due for surgery with in 2 weeks time.
I leave you with this: Have fun, trip safe, and for the love of all that is, capsulize that foul flavor, so you can skip over the horrid taste.
During my most recent experimentation, I have found that taking 1,000 to 1,500 milligrams of Acetaminophen (over the counter CVS pain relief): Will ease the DVT scar pains. 1,000mg is 2 pills, 1,500 is 3. Due to my career choice in semi truck driving, I can not smoke Cannabis, or I would be.
How ever, there are a few details I would like to add, for anyone that takes BHWS. It is not LSD. BHWS is LSA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergine http://www.neurosoup.com/lsa-lysergic-acid-amide/ . It is a close relative to LSD. Your trip will be far calmer with BHWS, than it would be with LSD.
In fact, I can say with confidence that, BHWS is at least 3x safer than LSD. There aren’t any cases of it building up in the spinal fluid, or flash backs. Heck, I trip alone, and I’m fine. 6 seeds is generally enough to give me great feelings of euphoria, and lots of tracers.
Passage of time feels normal, I can watch TV and not bug out. Talking to friends on Skype (fellow psycho-naughts) got me laughing. It was truly a great time.
Of course, unlike LSD, LSA is a 4-8 hour trip. I recommend drinking water in place of pop, tea, or coffee. You will want to flush all of the toxins from your body during, and after the trip. BHWS are known to jack heart rate, cause sweating, dilate pupils, cause euphoria, a sense of well being, and deep sleep.
In fact, as far as sleeping goes, I’ve never had such vivid dreams. I rarely dream as it is. How ever, after a night of BHWS my dreams come to life. For anyone suffering from depression, I recommend this legal hallucinogen.
Do you have high blood pressure? Stay away from BHWS. As I stated before, it is a vascular constrictor. Having high blood pressure, and taking something that is known to jack up your heart rate, and close your veins/arteries some, is a seriously bad mix. It could even be fatal.
I have not studied the effects of BHWS with someone that does indeed have high blood pressure. My father wants to try them, but he has high blood pressure. I can not say with any amount of confidence, what sort of effect it would have on him.
He is in no way experienced with drugs, as much as I am. How ever, his high blood pressure worries me, as far as this drug is concerned. Alternatively, I could have him dose on some Aspirin, to thin out his blood for a few hours. http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20050915/high-blood-pressure-nightly-aspirin-help
The above link shows how Aspirin can lower blood pressure, so it may actually be a valid trial and error test. I wouldn’t know how much to dose him with. How ever, I can say from experience in Warfarin that, it may make his trip safer.
How ever, I can not stress enough that, someone with stage 2 or 3 hypertension, or high blood pressure, taking BHWS to be a good idea. It’s just not a good mix. Of course, there are alternatives, but most of them jack up heart rate.
People have told me what crazy things they saw, or felt while on BHWS. I’ve never seen things, other than tracers. I’ve had giggle fits, and seen vivid tracers, but that’s about all.
Avoid green vegetables for at least a day before consuming BHWS. Any green vegetable contains Vitamin K, which is a clotting agent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_K . This link will explain more about Vitamin K.
Being that Vitamin K is a clotting agent, mixing it with BHWS is also a bad mix. Slowed blood movement, plus a vascular constrictor could potentially cause severe pain, headaches, nausea, dizziness, faint heart beat, odd heart rhythm, etc.
When I trip, I like to trip safe. I like to trip with friends. I enjoy a consequence free environment. There is a reason I moved to, where I moved to. No police presence, and lots of nature. Everyone is free to trip, and just enjoy themselves. The net isn’t all that great, but it works.
I don’t really have any more points to make at this time. Feel free to respond with questions, or comments. I will be sure to answer any questions, or concerns that I can.
Please bare in mind, I am not a doctor, PHD, MD, or otherwise. I can only give you, what I have had from personal experience, experimenting, and internet research.
I can only recommend that you follow my example(s), and advice thus far.
I am thinking about trying some Baby Hawaiian Woodrose seeds sometime and I would like to know if they are safe to eat? If so, how often should I eat them…